BTS of Resiliency The Podcast! An Interview with Dr. Kelly Culver and Jenn Quader
Hello, and welcome to Resiliency the Podcast, the place to find stories, strategies, and inspiration on how to embrace change, overcome challenges, and redefine resilience in today's ever evolving world. I'm Asef Quater, the executive producer and co creator of Resiliency the podcast and today's guest host. Today, we have something a little bit different. We're gonna
Asef Quader:be doing a little q and a with our two hosts. We're gonna give you a little background information. We're gonna do some behind the scenes stuff. We're gonna talk to our hosts about why they are the perfect people to teach you about resiliency. First, we have doctor Kelly Culver, who is my favorite Canadian, all due respect to Ryan Reynolds.
Asef Quader:She is the world's first doctor of resiliency. She also runs an international consulting business, traveling all around the world helping businesses and countries and people become more resilient. Doctor Culver's cohost is Jen Quater. She's a global communications expert and CEO of the PR firm, The Smart Agency. Now I'm sure you guys have kind of realized that Jen and I share a same last name.
Asef Quader:And no, that's not how she got the gig here. If anything, it's how I got the gig myself. Guys, thank you for being here, even though you're paid to be here.
Jenn Quader:Who's getting paid? Wait a minute.
Dr. Kelly Culver:I missed that memo. You're the executive producer. You failed to hit send on that email.
Jenn Quader:My my payroll is late, folks.
Asef Quader:When I said we're this is a behind the scenes episode, this is what happens behind the scenes. They berate me constantly. I am learning resiliency through fire. It is a great time for your old cocreator, Asef Quader. Guys, how are you today?
Jenn Quader:I'm feeling good. Ready ready to roll.
Asef Quader:That's great. Okay. So let's let's jump into it. How did the podcast come to be? We we all met in Paris at the TED Talk, back in March of twenty twenty four.
Asef Quader:And I like to think we all hit it off pretty well, and we had brilliant talks, talked to so many smart people. Let's talk about it. Doctor Kelly, let let me start you off. What did you think of Jen when you first met her?
Dr. Kelly Culver:Oh, she was a lot of fun. We were sitting in the back, kinda talking to each other, and we were the only two, and you, who actually stayed the whole day to listen to all of the TED Talks that were given at the practice run so that we could situate ourselves in the bigger picture. And I think that that alone started to form the bond that, you know, that we now have together. And we realized that we have similar senses of humor and different styles, but it just kinda worked. That's my experience anyways.
Dr. Kelly Culver:How about you, Jen? What do you think?
Jenn Quader:Well, when I first met you, Kelly, I met you at we had there was a little reception, actually, when we very first arrived. And I had read through all the names, and I had seen that doctor Kelly Culver was a doctor of resilience, and she was invited as the keynote speaker of the event. And so Jen didn't play. She beelined straight to that keynote speaker because I was like, I'm a learn everything I can from her. And what I can tell you, ladies and gentlemen, is she's never disappointed.
Jenn Quader:So I immediately felt struck by, by that Canadian warmth and sweetness. But more than that, I found that as we sat together, as we met at that at that and then sat together at that rehearsal, there was a lot of like mindedness in seeing resilience as a larger strategy for business and for life. So it was kinda beyond the TED Talk, and I think that's where some of that connection really started.
Asef Quader:And I can tell you when I first met Kelly, she first walked in and she was wearing her her now iconic red jacket. She she walked in and, of course, you know, I I think Kelly stands all of five foot zero. She walked in. She's she's she's tiny, small in height, not in stature. And she walks up and I say hello to her and she's gives me a a nice hello.
Asef Quader:And that was it. And that was kind of like my first meeting of her. But what made me fall in love with Kelly was after, Jen, you gave your talk, and Kelly came up to me and gave me a big hug and a kiss on the cheek. And I won't talk about what happens in your talk because we're gonna talk about that in future episodes. But I thought it was really sweet.
Asef Quader:And then after that, we formed a great bond, and I think we all fell in love with each other. And we are great collaborators, and I love working with Kelly. And Jen's there too. She's always here.
Jenn Quader:Well, I just I'd like to speak to the fact that one of the things we talk about as far as resilience is there's the focus on it, and then there's the acting, the doing, the driving it forward. And I think, Asif, that really lies with you. Because when we we talked about doing this podcast, but when we came home, you sat down and wrote up a concept. And I think that that to me was the most pivotal moment of what brought us here and why we are doing this is that you put pen to paper and you made the idea come to life. So, you got the gig as as a guest host.
Jenn Quader:Congrats.
Asef Quader:Oh, yeah. Great.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yeah. Yay. Because you just, yeah, well, you I mean, you saw the magic that was happening in the room in Paris on the on the cocktail party night, the, the dry run, and then the actual day itself.
Asef Quader:I I I think that's correct. I I I thought You
Dr. Kelly Culver:ran with it.
Asef Quader:I really felt everyone at the TED talk formed a really close bond. And for people who are going to listen to future episodes, this is our second episode. All the episodes in our first run here are based on the TED talks that happened in Paris. The TED talks are called, give me it again. It's,
Dr. Kelly Culver:Resilience Redefined.
Asef Quader:Resilience Redefined. And it was really impactful to me, and I thought it's really important that we do this. You guys heard our first episode, Daniella, talk about how she was the one who put it in our heads that we should do a podcast. We should get together and do this, and I ran with it because I thought it was too important not to. And I'm I'm happy I did it.
Asef Quader:I'm we're here. We are going strong, guys. We're gonna have, at least 10 episodes right off the bat here for you, and we're gonna move into some really interesting things. We have a lot of guests lined up that are are just fantastic speakers who talk about so many interesting things, so many important things, very powerful talks coming up. Let's move on.
Asef Quader:What was your favorite moment from that TEDx event, Kelly?
Dr. Kelly Culver:My favorite moment, I think, was the dress rehearsal. And the reason it was the dress rehearsal as opposed to the real thing is that it was an adventure, and there was a lot of exploration by each one of the speakers, but also by the American University of Paris itself. They had been doing TED Talks in the past. COVID had put that on hold. So they were bringing it back into the into the forefront, and they had some, you know, they had some technical challenges, recording challenges.
Dr. Kelly Culver:You know, we were all trying
Asef Quader:we were only
Dr. Kelly Culver:in that 15 Yeah, I know all the time. We had that 15 window that you have to finish your TED Talk, you know, basically within fifteen to eighteen minutes max or else TED kicks you out. It was a journey where we didn't know what the end was going to look like. I really enjoyed that whole day as opposed to, yes, I gave a great TED Talk on the day I was supposed to. And yes, I anchored the event.
Dr. Kelly Culver:I closed it. And the only reason I did that, Jen, I was the only non American university person. I was the extraterrestrial in the room, so they put me at the end.
Jenn Quader:That's the only reason why I'm that and you hold the PhD, my dear. That's a Minor detail. Work for Jen. Yeah.
Asef Quader:A little bit. Oh, man. Jen, how about you? What was your favorite moment?
Jenn Quader:That that's a tough question because I don't, I don't see it as one. You know? I I really think that that's that is what resilience is, is is it's building momentum. Momentum is a series of moments, almost like music, like a series of notes. And I think that there were these different, using that music analogy, these chords that were struck.
Jenn Quader:And I think this event actually changed my thoughts on resilience. And that doesn't happen all the time. You know? Like, you don't go somewhere and always change the way you think. But I really thought resilience just meant being strong and trying hard and get, you know, get up if you fall off the horse, And I found out that resilience means community.
Jenn Quader:It means engagement with others. And that so to me, that's my favorite part is that I learned something, something really magical. So, I'm excited to be in this resiliency community now.
Asef Quader:And isn't it cool? Because that's the one thing, guys, a little behind the scene note here. Once again, we have recorded right now seven, eight episodes already. And the one note that keeps coming up is community, How important community is to resiliency. And that's what we wanna be.
Asef Quader:We wanna form a community with everybody here. Everyone who's listening, we want to build a community. We're coming up with a a resiliency kit that, we're all putting together, led by our fabulous doctor of resiliency. Can you talk a little bit about that, Kelly?
Dr. Kelly Culver:The toolkit? The resilience
Asef Quader:toolkit? The resiliency toolkit. Yes.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Sure. Well, we're looking at putting together a resilience toolkit that people can use, whether it's an individual, a company, or a country, on best practices around the world in resilience, and also a lot of the key learnings that we have taken from the different, speakers that we've had on so far. So any magical moment or key learning or observation or insight that we've had from any one of our TED Talks is going to be part of our toolkit. We're asking our guests who bring their experience and resilience to give us, key readings, things that help them along, different insights, and also building things like resilience models that you can take as an individual with your family, with your kids, or in your company. Mhmm.
Asef Quader:And and it's it's gonna be filled with a lot of useful things. We are really excited about this. Once again, we're trying to build a community to help everyone become more resilient. Jen, let's talk about what do you want people to learn from our podcast?
Jenn Quader:K. That's such an interesting thing. There's a a friend of mine who I was chatting with her, and I was talking about the the feeling I have when I wanna share something. You know, like, why am I sitting on this podcast, me and doctor Culver and you? Like, what is that feeling?
Jenn Quader:And I said, I I really wanna wanna teach something. And she put her finger up in my face, and she said, don't teach. Just shine. Just showcase. Just highlight.
Jenn Quader:And so I I wanna say I don't I don't wanna dictate what any listeners will learn. I want to just shine a light. I wanna, like I think back to when I used to be a little performer, and I worked on cruise ships. And they, you know, they had the little lights, and they had one little spotlight in the back that always someone from the kitchen would run. And so and I think about that little spotlight, whoosh, and it would turn this way.
Jenn Quader:And that's all I wanna do. I wanna take these stories, and I wanna put a spotlight on them. And then as we move past TEDx, I wanna put a spotlight on business people who are reinventing their businesses. I wanna put a spotlight on mamas who have reinvented themselves. Like, whoever it is, I wanna spotlight them, and then I want our listeners to take from it whatever they need.
Dr. Kelly Culver:And I think that's an important point. A lot of people, when they hear the word resiliency and I I tend to use the word resilience. But a lot of people, when they hear the word resiliency, they're thinking of it from a personal point of view. And resilience spans all sectors, all industries. So it is the business leaders.
Dr. Kelly Culver:It's entrepreneurs. It's venture capitalists. It's people in health care, people in education. It's people in communications. In your in your milia, it's people in commercial real estate.
Dr. Kelly Culver:It's moms. It isn't boxed in. And I guess that's one thing that I really learned about resilience is years and years and years ago, it was a word that was captured by engineering or by ecology, full stop. And it has busted out of that, you know, in the last ten years, just completely busted out of that box of being fixed and measured, quantifiable, and now it's everywhere around us. And and resilience fits the context in which you find yourself.
Jenn Quader:Can I dig into that for a minute? Because I see something really interesting in that. And help me understand because I'm hoping I'm understanding the words appropriately. But so you said that resilience was locked into engineering and ecology. So engineering is what makes things work.
Jenn Quader:And ecology help me under is that like the natural Earth? Help me what is that? What is ecology?
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yeah. So the engineering piece around resilience for a long time, it's when you build an infrastructure, you build a bridge, you build a road, you engineer it to be resilient so it you stress test it.
Jenn Quader:Mhmm.
Dr. Kelly Culver:You want it to be stable. And the so resilience was about being stable, building back, bouncing back, recovering, being robust, those kinds of things. It didn't talk about being future oriented or foresight or those kinds of things. The same with the ecology, with the environment. If we do something to the environment, how does it fix itself?
Dr. Kelly Culver:How does it stop eroding? How how do we so environment or climate, if you will, or the sustainable development goals in many ways came out of the idea of we have to fix mother Earth, So we have to build it back to the way it was. Well, return to normal. What does that mean? When you have a crisis, it's never the same.
Dr. Kelly Culver:It's never it's a new normal. And that's the beauty of resiliency is of resilience, it's showing what a new normal can look like.
Asef Quader:And I think that's a great thing to bring up because, you know, we talk about how community is the the backbone for resiliency, but a lot of that is the other thing that is involved in resiliency is the being adaptable to change. That we are affected constantly by by different things that happen in our lives, and the way to become resilient is to change. It's a rolling with the punches, if you will. Getting knocked down, getting back up, like Jen had said earlier. It all it's all resilience.
Asef Quader:You know, I look at resilience and resiliency as one is a noun and one is a verb, but it's all the same thing.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Well, there's no verb for resilience.
Asef Quader:Interesting.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Resiliency is an adjective.
Asef Quader:Okay. That's, yeah, that's a good point.
Dr. Kelly Culver:There is no verb for resilient.
Jenn Quader:You're right. You you you can't say I resilient this. I there's no link.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yeah. It's I am.
Asef Quader:Yeah. I am resilient.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Resilience. I am is the yeah. Mhmm.
Asef Quader:That makes sense. That's interesting. Okay. Thank god we have a doctor on here.
Jenn Quader:Thank god. Well, look. I love grammar, so I wanna get I wanna get in there. Kelly, what what are some verbs that people could use if they want to achieve resiliency?
Dr. Kelly Culver:Well, you can look at things like build. Build is a really good word. You build something, so you build resilience. You look at resilience as a capacity. So it's a capability.
Dr. Kelly Culver:It's a skill. It's an attribute. But I think if we're using words that are, you know, everyday words that we use, not academic words I might be a doctor, but I am by no means an academic. Just, you know, absolutely not. Published in an academic journal, no way.
Dr. Kelly Culver:I'd rather get stuff out on the street quicker. But I think build is a really good word because you build strength, you build capacity, you build your superpowers. And those are things that resiliency you know, that's what resilience is for people. So for me, I like the word build.
Jenn Quader:Well, and I wanna draw a little connection back to what you said, Kelly, because so if if resiliency is not a verb, right, then in order to achieve it, I have to build. And if I'm gonna build, I have to put some energy into that. I have to put intention behind it. I have to choose to do it. And so I wanna you know, I'm just pointing this out for my own brain.
Jenn Quader:Why do it? Right? Like, how do I know if it's gonna work? Oh my gosh. What if I try and I fail?
Jenn Quader:What a cool thing that it is built on on engineering, which is making things work, and ecology, which is how the natural environment evolves. It it it's almost like a guarantee, like, this will work. If you simply build on it, the bridges you drive on do stay stable. The the natural environment does replenish itself on a constant basis. And so I think that there's a lot of, when you talk about why do something, you can see the faith in action when it comes to resiliency and and why it's worth it to build.
Dr. Kelly Culver:And it should give you also the other thing is that it should give you if you think of build, then it should give you the courage to act in the face of uncertainty. Mhmm. Resilience helps us with uncertainty and ambiguity and being able to face the unknown even when we're scared.
Asef Quader:Yeah. Let me ask you guys this question. In fact, I'm gonna pose I'm gonna pose this question. Doctor Kelly Culver, why is Jen Quater someone that people should listen to on the subject of resiliency?
Dr. Kelly Culver:Oh, that's super easy. You know, like, there's there's many there's many ways to answer that question. So if we look at Jen in her professional background, public relations, commercial real estate, find me an industry that hasn't been in constant turmoil for decades. Let's go back to 02/2007 and and and, you know, even probably before that. And and you're in an industry where you have to communicate, you have to persuade, you have to influence, you have to have a convincing message, and you have to adapt and adjust all the time.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Again, let's go to resilience. We behave in one of three ways. We survive, we adapt, or we transform. So that's the industry that Jen is in. So from a professional perspective, number one.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Number two, Jen's alluded very briefly to, she's an actor. She has experience in theater and on cruise ships, and so she can display her message in a convincing way and bring you into it. And thirdly, because you haven't heard our listeners, our guests haven't heard, Jen's episode yet, Jen has a personal experience that helps her help you learn how to walk in a direction that isn't straight, but you're going to get there in the end based on her own experience. So she has street creds
Jenn Quader:in this.
Asef Quader:Nice. And Jen, why is doctor Kelly Culver someone people should listen to on the subject of resiliency? And let's let's let's ignore that she is an actual doctor of resiliency.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yeah. Forget that part.
Asef Quader:Forget that part.
Dr. Kelly Culver:I can put
Jenn Quader:that aside. Listen. I that's easy. Like, if I have street cred in the neighborhood, Kelly has street cred in the world. Kelly has seen resilience at a global level.
Jenn Quader:Very few people I'm gonna say, sure, there are probably a lot of people who've seen it, but not many of them can organize their thoughts, talk about it, put it out coherently, and do those things. So I think that that what Kelly brings is a true global perspective, and I've heard her talk about how she thinks about things as, you know, kind of companies, regions, countries. You know? And and I think and I actually, I should say individuals, companies, regions, countries because it really spans all of that. So what I think she brings is is a breadth that is really important because when someone you know, you can look at resilience from any lens.
Jenn Quader:And that when that lens is really small, it's it's the morning, you've woken up, it's time to go to work, and you're just not feeling it, and you don't wanna go and you don't wanna do what you need to do. And, you know, how do you see beyond that kind of one hour of deciding if you're gonna do it or not? And the way is to zoom way out. You know, like they say, we're each a little grain of sand. You know, to understand we are all just sands, and it's part of a whole big beach, and this is bigger than me.
Jenn Quader:And so I think Kelly brings kind of a physical embodiment of, like, this is bigger than me, and she's seen that from a professional sense. And then I think personally and, again, I know we're gonna all our listeners are gonna get to hear our TED Talks in future episodes. But what Kelly amazes me is she's gone through a personal tragedy that look. Everyone goes through tragedies in life. That's how it works.
Jenn Quader:Right? There's nobody who's like, I had a tragedy free life. Like, that that doesn't exist. Did you live in a well? You know?
Jenn Quader:So, so and if so, there's your tragedy. Right? So
Asef Quader:Sounds tragic.
Jenn Quader:So so but Kelly went through a a personal tragedy that that so many of us will in one way or the other. And and from it, she not only endured it, stepped up, but she created something like a model that and you'll, again, you'll hear about this in her in her TEDx, a model that can be used by others. That is that's resilience. That is, like, you know, forgive like, the the people before the wheel was invented. That's the person who sat and thought, k.
Jenn Quader:Hold on. Something could roll. You know what I mean? Like, it's it's foresight. So so I would say I think that doctor Kelly Culver brings a lot of foresight.
Jenn Quader:And then finally, I would just say, like, I'm pretty sure her personal tragedy happened relatively recently. I don't have an exact timeline on that, but the woman has already given a TED Talk, published a book. Like, she's running a a resiliency series. Like, I think I think she's earned it just by way of, like, getting right back on that horse really fast also.
Asef Quader:Well, you both are very impressive. I have grown to love both of you. Obviously, my wife, I've grown a lot earlier. But, Kelly, you're right there. You're you're catching up.
Dr. Kelly Culver:You got two work wives whether you like it or not.
Asef Quader:Yay. Let me ask you this real quick. I'll start with Jen. What is your elevator pitch to people about resiliency the podcast?
Jenn Quader:Resiliency the podcast is the place to find stories, strategies, and inspiration. No. I won't go to my actress speech. My elevator pitch is this. The time is now.
Jenn Quader:That's the elevator pitch. The time is now. If you've been thinking about being resilient, if you have been worried about how you will be resilient, if you are wondering, like, how could life get any weirder, then listen to our podcast. Okay? Because the truth is life will get weirder.
Jenn Quader:It's gonna get weirder, folks. It's only gonna get weirder in every realm, political, technological, societal. It's gonna keep getting weird. So if you'd like a group of people who are working to navigate it through light and positivity and who are working to bring that light and positivity in a positive force through all aspects, through the arts, through speaking, through business, through through heart, then listen to resiliency, the podcast.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Kelly, what's your Don't ask me that question.
Asef Quader:Don't ask Kelly that question. Honestly
Dr. Kelly Culver:Because Jen has done such a great job.
Asef Quader:I mean,
Dr. Kelly Culver:there's nothing left to say.
Asef Quader:There really isn't. I mean, Jen is always so eloquently spoken.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Resilience is in the ether. It's interesting. When I started to study resilience, which would have been I started thinking about it seriously in 2016. I started to study it in earnest in 2020. All of a sudden, I saw the word everywhere.
Dr. Kelly Culver:And I think sometimes once something once you're aware of something, you start to notice it more. But I will say that coming out of COVID, we you you have seen the word resilience. Mainly, how to make your pets resilient. Like, that's crazy. Seriously.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Okay.
Asef Quader:I'm gonna
Jenn Quader:have an anti to two labs. I'm gonna
Dr. Kelly Culver:have an anti to two labs.
Jenn Quader:Listen. I appreciate your anti hood, but I would I would let my pets listen to a resilience podcast because I my Griffin and Hank Let's hang
Asef Quader:up every day.
Jenn Quader:When okay. They're right behind you. Kelly, I'm not first of all, they're right behind me. I don't know if my if our viewers can see that. I see them.
Jenn Quader:Let me explain something. You may have to come and give a personal a personal lesson to our oldest, Griffin. He's seven years old, guys, which is, you know, 50 in human years. And when you throw that ball and it inadvertently goes, oops, over the fence into the neighbor's yard, that boy will not be resilient. He will not get he sits outside and waits for it.
Jenn Quader:So he needs a little help, doctor c.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Okay. So we can do some coaching because I am an entity to Grizzly and Zeke Zook.
Asef Quader:So, typically, at the end of our each episode, we do rapid fire questions. Now we're not gonna do those today because each of you are gonna have your own episodes and we're gonna do those there. So I don't want you to step on those, but I will ask you one question. Fun question. Hopefully it's not in your Ted talks or part of your Ted talks in your episodes.
Asef Quader:I know you've thought about this. I'm gonna ask it. I'll start with doctor Kelly. If you could be any cookie, what would it be and why?
Dr. Kelly Culver:Oh, peanut butter. Something with peanut butter in it. I love peanut butter. And it has to have peanut butter tippets, and it has to have peanut it has to have peanuts. And You're nutty.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yeah. Why? Because it's, like, it's different. Peanut butter is not a condiment of choice in France, so I had the darnedest time trying to find it. Oh, yeah.
Dr. Kelly Culver:I still live in The UK when I lived there. Mauritius, not so good. Not in Africa. Mhmm. It's a staple in The United States.
Dr. Kelly Culver:It's a staple in Canada, so we've grown up with it. But it's kinda unique in other places where I have lived and worked in the world. Wow.
Jenn Quader:Doctor Kelly Culler, bringing peanut butter to the world. Substance. That's substance.
Asef Quader:I think that's the key. She she is a lady of substance is what I hear when
Jenn Quader:you're delicious. Come on.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yeah, and yummy. And yummy. And yummy.
Jenn Quader:A staple in your household.
Dr. Kelly Culver:That's resiliency the podcast, a staple in your household.
Asef Quader:Good elevator pitch. What cookie are you and why? Listen.
Jenn Quader:Very clear on this. I'm an Oreo cookie. Okay? Very, very clear. Obviously.
Jenn Quader:Because first of all, I'm sweet and gooey on the inside, but I'm a little hard on the out I'm not hard. Like, I'm, you know, but I'm I'm a little strong and then you meet me and I'm like goo ball on the inside. I would love to be packaged and shared all over the world just like resiliency the podcast. So I feel like Oreo does that. And then if you stick me in milk, I'm I'm I'm even more of a gooball.
Jenn Quader:So I'm I'm an Oreo all the way.
Asef Quader:Well, I can attest to the hard exterior. I've seen that many times.
Jenn Quader:Hey. Sometimes you gotta wait. What's doctor Kelly Culver's words? Sometimes you gotta have a little grit if you're gonna be resilient.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Yes.
Asef Quader:You you you you've taught me resiliency so many times over. I don't know. I think maybe I'm an expert in resiliency now. I'm joking. I love my wife, of course.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Except for those days when he threatens to buy a plane ticket to Toronto to see me.
Jenn Quader:Kelly, I'm gonna let him do it.
Dr. Kelly Culver:I know.
Jenn Quader:Sometimes a work wipe is a great thing to have, guys. Oh, no.
Asef Quader:It's only a matter of time before she starts being resilient with me. Guys, thank you so much for listening today. Please, if you like the episode, hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. We want you to join our community. People are joining every day.
Asef Quader:We are here for you. We want to help you build resiliency. Jen, where can people find you?
Jenn Quader:Well, first, you can find us online at resiliency the podcast dot com. That's where you can find all new episodes. You can find me at jennquader.com or at jennquader. That's j e n n q u a d e r on all the social media channels.
Asef Quader:And doctor Kelly Culver, where can people find you?
Dr. Kelly Culver:You can find my company at culvergroup.ca. C a, Canada, c a. You can find me at doctor kelly culver dot com, and you can find me, doctor Kelly Culver, on, on LinkedIn and and Instagram.
Asef Quader:Great. That's c a Canada, where they spell color with a u for some reason.
Dr. Kelly Culver:Among other things.
Asef Quader:Oh, to our listeners, thank you for tuning in. We love you guys. We'll be back next time. Until then, please stay strong. Enjoy life.
Asef Quader:Much love from Resiliency the podcast. Thank you.
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